Comments on: Cisco 360 Program News http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/ CCIE Candidates blog for all technical overviews relating to CCIE R&S, CCIE Voice, CCIE Security & CCIE SP Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:42:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Labrador Retriever Puppy Training http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-205 Labrador Retriever Puppy Training Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:55:21 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-205 <strong>Labrador Retriever Puppy Training...</strong> Great post and some useful advice.... Labrador Retriever Puppy Training…

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]]> By: Andrew Dempsey http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-194 Andrew Dempsey Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:18:24 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-194 The non main stream CCIE vendors offering the CCIE 360 program does not change my thoughts on them. They offer CCIE training as a part of their business not as their core and this fact alone bothers me. The idea of a training company deciding one day at some business meeting that they should offer CCIE training and deciding to "branch out" into that market really does not appeal to me. I may have a skewed opinion, but these companies seem very disconnected from the candidate with the feeling of a commoditized product. The difference now is I am sure they will need to increase prices and take themselves further out of my consideration. I missed the initial 360 launch and have not heard much interesting since so I can't comment on the learning management system. The idea of the learning management system does sound good as it is extremely hard to judge where you are at until you have taken the exam. Also it is tough to be 100% honest with yourself about your faults sometimes you just have to see it in black and white. The non main stream CCIE vendors offering the CCIE 360 program does not change my thoughts on them. They offer CCIE training as a part of their business not as their core and this fact alone bothers me. The idea of a training company deciding one day at some business meeting that they should offer CCIE training and deciding to “branch out” into that market really does not appeal to me. I may have a skewed opinion, but these companies seem very disconnected from the candidate with the feeling of a commoditized product. The difference now is I am sure they will need to increase prices and take themselves further out of my consideration.

I missed the initial 360 launch and have not heard much interesting since so I can’t comment on the learning management system. The idea of the learning management system does sound good as it is extremely hard to judge where you are at until you have taken the exam. Also it is tough to be 100% honest with yourself about your faults sometimes you just have to see it in black and white.

]]> By: Andrew Dempsey http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3194 Andrew Dempsey Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:18:24 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-3194 The non main stream CCIE vendors offering the CCIE 360 program does not change my thoughts on them. They offer CCIE training as a part of their business not as their core and this fact alone bothers me. The idea of a training company deciding one day at some business meeting that they should offer CCIE training and deciding to "branch out" into that market really does not appeal to me. I may have a skewed opinion, but these companies seem very disconnected from the candidate with the feeling of a commoditized product. The difference now is I am sure they will need to increase prices and take themselves further out of my consideration. I missed the initial 360 launch and have not heard much interesting since so I can't comment on the learning management system. The idea of the learning management system does sound good as it is extremely hard to judge where you are at until you have taken the exam. Also it is tough to be 100% honest with yourself about your faults sometimes you just have to see it in black and white. The non main stream CCIE vendors offering the CCIE 360 program does not change my thoughts on them. They offer CCIE training as a part of their business not as their core and this fact alone bothers me. The idea of a training company deciding one day at some business meeting that they should offer CCIE training and deciding to “branch out” into that market really does not appeal to me. I may have a skewed opinion, but these companies seem very disconnected from the candidate with the feeling of a commoditized product. The difference now is I am sure they will need to increase prices and take themselves further out of my consideration.

I missed the initial 360 launch and have not heard much interesting since so I can’t comment on the learning management system. The idea of the learning management system does sound good as it is extremely hard to judge where you are at until you have taken the exam. Also it is tough to be 100% honest with yourself about your faults sometimes you just have to see it in black and white.

]]> By: Wayne Lawson http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-193 Wayne Lawson Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:02:26 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-193 Jeff - you're absolutely correct as it relates to your thoughts / suggestions / comments. Our PPP would be based on an 8-hour assessment lab as well as a list of questions pertaining to your general knowledge on various topics (including what you've done previously relating to your CCIE lab prep). With our grading engine, the analysis / assessment would show you where you are in terms of practical knowledge. Our reporting / analysis engine would give you a recommended path - with an "estimation" on the average length of time it takes the "average candidate". With that being said - if your goal was to complete it sooner - or later - than the proposed time line we suggest - you would be given a serious of tasks / products to completed (and a due date) and measured after every phase. It would be similar to the standard college / university model (thus our IPexpert University initiative) ;-) Jeff – you’re absolutely correct as it relates to your thoughts / suggestions / comments. Our PPP would be based on an 8-hour assessment lab as well as a list of questions pertaining to your general knowledge on various topics (including what you’ve done previously relating to your CCIE lab prep). With our grading engine, the analysis / assessment would show you where you are in terms of practical knowledge. Our reporting / analysis engine would give you a recommended path – with an “estimation” on the average length of time it takes the “average candidate”. With that being said – if your goal was to complete it sooner – or later – than the proposed time line we suggest – you would be given a serious of tasks / products to completed (and a due date) and measured after every phase. It would be similar to the standard college / university model (thus our IPexpert University initiative) ;-)

]]> By: Wayne Lawson http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3193 Wayne Lawson Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:02:26 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-3193 Jeff - you're absolutely correct as it relates to your thoughts / suggestions / comments. Our PPP would be based on an 8-hour assessment lab as well as a list of questions pertaining to your general knowledge on various topics (including what you've done previously relating to your CCIE lab prep). With our grading engine, the analysis / assessment would show you where you are in terms of practical knowledge. Our reporting / analysis engine would give you a recommended path - with an "estimation" on the average length of time it takes the "average candidate". With that being said - if your goal was to complete it sooner - or later - than the proposed time line we suggest - you would be given a serious of tasks / products to completed (and a due date) and measured after every phase. It would be similar to the standard college / university model (thus our IPexpert University initiative) ;-) Jeff – you’re absolutely correct as it relates to your thoughts / suggestions / comments. Our PPP would be based on an 8-hour assessment lab as well as a list of questions pertaining to your general knowledge on various topics (including what you’ve done previously relating to your CCIE lab prep). With our grading engine, the analysis / assessment would show you where you are in terms of practical knowledge. Our reporting / analysis engine would give you a recommended path – with an “estimation” on the average length of time it takes the “average candidate”. With that being said – if your goal was to complete it sooner – or later – than the proposed time line we suggest – you would be given a serious of tasks / products to completed (and a due date) and measured after every phase. It would be similar to the standard college / university model (thus our IPexpert University initiative) ;-)

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-192 Jeff Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:46:01 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-192 I don't know if you could just put up a cookie cutter PPP based on a goal date. It would have to be used in conjunction with frequent assessments, which I believe is a part of the 360 program as well as IE's CCIE2.0 program. That type of a service could be very valuable. I think that a common problem point for CCIE candidates is trying to gauge when they are ready for the lab, or when they are competent enough on a certain topic to move on. Obviously if you haven't gone down the path before, it's hard o know yourself. So regular feedback by those who are knowledgeable enough to give it in those areas would be a real help. Personally, I'd be willing to pay extra for personalized direction of my studies. You guys definitely have the study tools to allow students to gain the knowledge that they need. So throwing a service like this on top of it should theoretically reduce the average number of lab attempts of your students. That's definitely worth paying for. I don’t know if you could just put up a cookie cutter PPP based on a goal date. It would have to be used in conjunction with frequent assessments, which I believe is a part of the 360 program as well as IE’s CCIE2.0 program. That type of a service could be very valuable.

I think that a common problem point for CCIE candidates is trying to gauge when they are ready for the lab, or when they are competent enough on a certain topic to move on. Obviously if you haven’t gone down the path before, it’s hard o know yourself. So regular feedback by those who are knowledgeable enough to give it in those areas would be a real help.

Personally, I’d be willing to pay extra for personalized direction of my studies. You guys definitely have the study tools to allow students to gain the knowledge that they need. So throwing a service like this on top of it should theoretically reduce the average number of lab attempts of your students. That’s definitely worth paying for.

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3192 Jeff Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:46:01 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-3192 I don't know if you could just put up a cookie cutter PPP based on a goal date. It would have to be used in conjunction with frequent assessments, which I believe is a part of the 360 program as well as IE's CCIE2.0 program. That type of a service could be very valuable. I think that a common problem point for CCIE candidates is trying to gauge when they are ready for the lab, or when they are competent enough on a certain topic to move on. Obviously if you haven't gone down the path before, it's hard o know yourself. So regular feedback by those who are knowledgeable enough to give it in those areas would be a real help. Personally, I'd be willing to pay extra for personalized direction of my studies. You guys definitely have the study tools to allow students to gain the knowledge that they need. So throwing a service like this on top of it should theoretically reduce the average number of lab attempts of your students. That's definitely worth paying for. I don’t know if you could just put up a cookie cutter PPP based on a goal date. It would have to be used in conjunction with frequent assessments, which I believe is a part of the 360 program as well as IE’s CCIE2.0 program. That type of a service could be very valuable.

I think that a common problem point for CCIE candidates is trying to gauge when they are ready for the lab, or when they are competent enough on a certain topic to move on. Obviously if you haven’t gone down the path before, it’s hard o know yourself. So regular feedback by those who are knowledgeable enough to give it in those areas would be a real help.

Personally, I’d be willing to pay extra for personalized direction of my studies. You guys definitely have the study tools to allow students to gain the knowledge that they need. So throwing a service like this on top of it should theoretically reduce the average number of lab attempts of your students. That’s definitely worth paying for.

]]> By: Amit Chopra http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Amit Chopra Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:05:36 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-191 PPP “Personal Preparation Path” solution ? - Sure I will like to see this change..... PPP “Personal Preparation Path” solution ? – Sure I will like to see this change…..

]]> By: Amit Chopra http://blog.ipexpert.com/2008/11/07/cisco-360-program-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3191 Amit Chopra Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:05:36 +0000 http://ipexpert.ccieblog.com/?p=234#comment-3191 PPP “Personal Preparation Path” solution ? - Sure I will like to see this change..... PPP “Personal Preparation Path” solution ? – Sure I will like to see this change…..

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